This may explain things
Marvin: The first ten million years were the worst. And the second ten million… they were the worst too. The third ten million I didn’t enjoy at all. After that, I went into a bit of a decline.
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I have webpages online that has the link the MAG xxxx name and a brief description. Mostly I just scan through Facer Creator and look for the one I want. My issue is I can’t remember names, and it’s not because of my age. I was terrible at remembering people’s names as a teenager. I was a auto dealership mechanic for 20 years. My uniform shirts had my name and the dealership name on patches. I used to tell people I had to wear the shirt so I could remember who I am and where I work. 
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Wondeful
Same here, cannot memorise things, but I know where to look…
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I had a couple Faces taken down in my early days here, learned my lesson, moved on…
Currently retired from creating on Facer, but after years they still took down loads of my Faces just recentish, total lunacy. I didn’t contest, just thought what the hell, I never use any of them anyway.
One Tip: always Duplicate before Publishing, then you’ve always got a back up if something “goes wrong” 
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Wow, even your old retired designs got taken down? That really does sound a bit over the top.
Thanks for the tip about duplicating, that’s a smart move. I’ll keep that in mind from now on, just in case.
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I have added Relic to the list .
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You’re most welcome, it was just one of the many things picked up along the way from all the amazing people in this Community 
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Just out of curiosity, was it right at publishing attempt or some days after? Because we already complained a lot about it here.
And also suggested them, that the filter could be applied in the publication page, blending the publish button until you not only check the checkbox with accepting terms of use, but also until you remove anything infringing already in that moment. It would prevent such false alarms and later clarifying traffic between staff and accused users.
btw. I like the swinging shades idea
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Soon to be added: Circle, hand, face, time, minute, second, hour?
The problem is an algorithm based generation of brand protected terms that is not checked until contention because that costs money, fed into an algorithm based BanHammer that is not checked until contention because that costs money
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That makes way too much sense for Facer to ever do.
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Like an image that revolves about a circle once an hour gotta be ~~ritedSorry,
a silly stickmuckers pumping sterile juice into the deny files that you can Just say
Yeah, I’m all out for content on my fav=
No I am beyond angry so stopping
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Language!
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I expressed my frustration in watch faces, see what happens upon wake…:
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Over here in the UK we have Microsoft Edge and Santander Edge . These are big companys quite happy to share a bit of the Queens / Kings English .
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Oh - I like this watch! 
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I know it is frustrating but companies risk negative consequences if they do not take steps to prevent the use of relevant trademarks - especially if they have been informed of the use and told to cease all future use. In particular, a watch related company cannot use or allow the use of trademarks related to watches without the permission of the trademark owner.
RELIC is a trademark of Fossil Group ( see USPTO search result below ) and it has been registered for use in relation to watches.
Also, standard character format trademarks ( ie. plain text ) are not case sensitive. So all of the following would be covered by the registration:
relic
Relic
rELic
R e l i c
R E L I C
An automatic detection system may not cover all variations but they are covered by the trademark.
Whether or not it is “fair” that normal words and phrases can be protected by trademark laws, the sad fact is they can be and there is nothing we mortals can do about it.
As was said above, the best thing to do is to make a copy of a face before you publish. If you get a rejection you can appeal if the use is merely incidental and completely unrelated to the watch face, an actual watch or a brand and it may be restored. But it might take time, discussions back and forth and the appeal may fail. The easiest thing to do in my opinion is simply to reword the description to remove the offending word.
Here is the link to the USPTO search page if you want to check for trademarks:
https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-information
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Thanks for the insight and the link.
Your words support the suggestion for either making list of banned words known beforehand, or for making the check of description compatibility continuous, before it would be allowed for publication, and so to say “enforce” the rewording, to save the mentioned traffic and frustration about false flags.
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Could be good suggestions - certainly it would help the people acting in good faith and getting caught in error.
The problem I guess are those people who intentionally try to game the system by using words and images as close as possible to those owned by the well know brands in order to boost the popularity of their faces. Publishing the current list of trigger words or providing real time feedback on variations would perhaps aid that effort and result in more undetected copyright / trademark breaches and greater effort required to continuously update the database to include more and more variations.
I imagine the aim is to have a system that tries to balance the need to stop breaches, and the related desire to frustrate gaming efforts, whilst minimising the number of innocent mistakes. Not an easy problem I guess and difficult to come up with an optimal solutions that meets all aims.
It would be good though if there were some kind of demerit point system introduced such that users with less than a certain threshold of points in a given period could have their rejected faces immediately returned to draft with an explanation email. And only once a user hits the recidivist threshold are their faces simply deleted. Such a system might alleviate some of the frustration felt by the users trying to follow the rules.
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Thanks for the detailed explanatio, that does help put things into perspective. I wasn’t aware Relic was an actual registered trademark by Fossil Group, so that explains a lot.
I still find it a bit tricky when everyday words are trademarked, but I get that legally there’s not much room for interpretation.
One thing I do feel could be improved is the way Facer handles this. Right now, a watch face gets removed immediately, and while you can appeal, it becomes a slow and clunky process.
Wouldn’t it be more user-friendly to simply flag the word and give the creator a chance to adjust the description before taking it down? That way, it could be re-uploaded within minutes instead of going through a whole back-and-forth.
I’ll definitely take your advice to duplicate faces before publishing and be more careful with descriptions from now on. Appreciate you taking the time to clarify all this!
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Thanks! And good question, in my case it was actually some time after publishing, there was already some people liking the face. That’s what made it even more confusing, because the face was live for a while without issues.
I really like your suggestion about applying the filter at the publishing stage. That would save both users and staff a lot of time and frustration. Just a quick warning before publishing would make all the difference.
And glad you liked the swinging shades idea, Thanks!
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