New watch face design pulled by Marvin

My Goodness! I would think you would be proud to have Facer publish your work. That is probably covered somewhere in the TOS.

Oh Linlay, please explain me the rules to be proud and when. Seems you know all about that too. My goodness, you don’t have a clue what makes me proud. Perhaps being as creative as I am and making + 2000 faces, all free.

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If you don’t want Facer to use your designs, keep them in drafts.

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Hello. I don’t know all the terms of the contract with FACER.

However, even with health problems that have caused me to have a limited brain, I used to work and was a “Lawyer,” but regardless of “Pride,” “Satisfaction,” “Happiness,” and, in my humble and simple opinion,

I understand that the author/creator of anything that will be published or disseminated MUST be at least QUESTIONED about their CONSENT to such action.

I apologize to everyone, but since this is a community, I believe I have the right to express my opinion on this matter.

Christian

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I did not expect a Face that already passed Marvin, to be shutdown when updating it and especially when updating only was, change the time setting. Explain me why a time setting should trigger a takedown on a face that was already published and passed the troll, long ago. So updating is a risky business. You can not trust Facer to check, hey this face already passed and nothing really changed. Probably existing faces if updated can trigger another takedown.

Learning the hard and unnecessary way. Now i know, i make a local copy, which i always do with new faces.

And another thing i would like to know is why is this control process not executed in such a way, that you get the notice before publishing and without taking down and destroy all the work. A check inside Facer creator page - which would be more important than Statistics for me, would be the right thing to do. Now everybody is impacted and believe me, frustrated. So avoidable.

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Troll’s rules are the thing that changed since that time

Yes it has been asked times and again. Even voted on it.
Copyright check prevent Publish rather than deletion - Feature Requests / Facer Creator - FACER Community
Mike had also valid point here, that could be debated about till the end of time, but final decision remains in rights and competence of the service provider.

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As I mentioned above, one of mine was flagged after I updated it. Something has changed with the automated process. I’m sure staff will be investigating and making changes if possible. Now that all of us have been updating for WFF this is important.

I don’t think graphics or resemblance are actually ever a reason for the auto system to flag a face. (they can and will get flagged manually for such things eventually) but maybe 100% of the auto removals are for words in the title or description. It’s usually a seemingly harmless common word like, believe it or not, “wow”, or “halo”, or “navigator”. But there are lot of these random words that have trademarks in on them. So the solution is to appeal, and then double check your language in the description and title, make changes, then republish. (make a copy first! so you don’t have to wait for the appeal if it happens again)

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The text in the description can be looked at also . I had a face taken down because the very nice font I used was called SWATCH . Nothing else in the description or title referred to the Maker . The watch was remarkably similar in appearance to a Watch I had had for many years . But I think the current Batch of takedowns on updating are Marvin Having hiccups from the speed he is eating these days . :rofl:

Poor Marvin

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Let’s not attack users who are trying to help. She was trying to explain that getting promoted by Facer is a good thing. And just so you know, they don’t need your permission…

(from the TOS)
By making any User Content available through Services you hereby grant to Little Labs a perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, worldwide, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid up rights and license, with a right to sublicense through multiple tiers, including to other Account holders, to use, copy, reproduce, modify for formatting and correction purposes, sell and offer for sale, distribute copies of, publicly display, publicly perform and otherwise exploit your User Content, in any manner in which Little Labs sees fit, in any and all media, now existing or hereafter developed, including, but not limited to, in connection with operating and providing the Services and Content to you and to other Account holders, and for any and all purposes, including for commercial and for-profit purposes. You expressly acknowledge that under this license, Little Labs will have the right to commercialize your User Content without any compensation to be paid to you.

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Gosh that bit of Legal Eagle stuff has two Full stops . Bless .

We should count ourselves lucky it has two :laughing: It gives us chance to take a breath and it’ has a font size we can actually read

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Of course Facer updates their auto-flagging system, so it is possible (because it just happened to me) that when updating a face that was passed prior to the auto-flagging system update, that it could get flagged now because those criteria have changed. So it wasn’t what you changed, it was that they changed what gets auto-flagged.

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I believe that’s what I said :slight_smile: Also , it’s not that it can be scanned, it is scanned. The reason older faces sometimes disappear is that yes the list of not-allowed words continues to grow, and anything that might cause the auto-system to rescan (updating, hitting milestones…) will be scanning with the newest filter and triggering the removal if it catches the wrong word.

I few weeks ago I got an email that a 4-5 year old free face hit 1000 syncs, there was also an email that the same face was taken down by the auto system. Turned out the milestone which triggered the email also triggered the scan, and the word “wow” which was in the description is no longer ok though it was 4 or 5 years ago.

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That’s just redonculous. What’s next, the Steven King franchise banning “it”?

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yeah totally ridiculous, but not Facer’s fault. They have an official licensing deal with World of Warcraft makers so I guess WOW is a trademark relevant in this context. But for sure corporate ownership of common words is one of the absurd signs of the times.

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@Rator

Yes, i know. But let me deduct some aspects from your statement. First, rules changes. Did you knew when they changed and why and what was changed. It is all very cloudy if you ask me, but perhaps that is intended. Secondly, only by upgrade i got this takedown, if i did not, well alert red alert. By extension, there would be and are i am sure, many faces “illegal” because i suspect only when creating new or updating, Marvin gets in. So some bad remain, but it is okay. Another thing is, the explanation from Facer is, we SUSPECT a violation. Suspect! It is like Trump saying, you are out or in jail. Why should the proof lie with me by the way. I argument that who who has power, must explain why he or she yields that power. The accuser must present why someone is guilty of copyright violation. Not a stomach feeling, not a suspicion, proof. Or otherwise we must rewrite every law book… And fourthly, why is this Marvin thing, not positoned BEFORE publishing. I can check statistics hallelujah, but i would be more and perhaps others, interested in forechecking, not after. Perhaps some people know the meaning of pro-active. But hey, that is just me and i am not a partner.

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…so if the ground for suspect is some AI bot, let human see it first and only when its no longer just suspect but confirmed, then first quarantine the face, not delete it straight away…

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@Rator

No Rator, she was telling me when to be proud, how to behave. That is pretty attacking to me, my integrity, but not that you care or see that, that is clear to me. And just that you know, some people are not interested at all in promotion or money. You should accept and appreciate, people are different and have other opinions.

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