Despite the issues, the Facer developers would have to work much harder to support Tizen separately to WearOS as used everywhere else so fixes and features would be slower coming in general.
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Hi @joncameronbates
Oh yeah, we are all ignorant. Thank goodness you are here to enlighten us with your intelligence.
You may have a superior intelligence, but you also have a little flaw. You obviously have a short memory!!
You say " Thatās not the fault of Samsung, Garmin, Mobvoi or any other OEM".
As @petruuccios petruuccios says, Google, with its disastrous OS, was on the verge of having to throw in the towel and abandon it. It had very little following.
It was Samsung, abandoning the excellent Tizen, that with its strength and its following saved them from the abyss. I therefore believe that Samsung could have a strong say.
You say again:
āYouād be the first to complain if they didnāt have Wear OS 5 on the new models.ā
Nothing more wrong. I was so eager to have WOS 5 that I did not buy the new Samsung models precisely because they have WOS5
Stay well
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My thoughts exactly.
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Shame it didnāt go the way of Android 15. They are touting all these new features to stock Android but they have been in OneUI for years and Google has adopted them.
As a partnership Google should have taken more from Tizen in its development.
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Oh dear. You are taking the same superiority stance as the one you are accusing me of!!
So when you have climbed down from your tower of high importance, maybe you will appreciate that I was merely trying to state that Samsung is not to blame when Google decides it wants to change its policies. Blaming them for releasing a new model with the latest Wear OS makes no sense. You might might not want the latest, but I am pretty sure that most people would be unhappy at spending so much money on a watch, only to find it will never be updated, just because it doesnāt support a third party app! Get real. And Samsung arenāt going to lean on Google either if the only complaint is Facer compatibility.
And the same goes for other smartwatch OEMās. They will face the same issue as they will obviously release new Wear OS watches with the latest version.
Samsung abandoned TIZEN for many economic business reasons, including the diminishing apps available on the Galaxy Store. It made sense to get on board with Google, and both have gained as a result. But it doesnāt mean they can tell Google how to write their policies and why would they do so just to please Facer users?
At the end of the day, I am bitterly disappointed that I canāt use Facer on my Watch Ultra. But I blame Google not Samsung. I hope that Facer can find a workaround, and if it values its business it will do all it can to do so.
Keep well too.
Calm down people.
This is a Facer forum and, I think we can all agree, the good folks at Facer carry none of the blame.
I am sure they are working hard to ensure things are as good as they can be given the situation we are in regardless what reasons any watch or OS manufacturers had for making whatever decisions they made.
I am personally thrilled to be back here after so long unable to make faces, even though some of the most annoying things about the designer are still there.
Here are some real Facer based things that annoy the hell out of me but wonāt stop me using it and I really hope will be fixed in the upcoming updates:
No Mouse drag to highlight on element names. It drags the entire web part.
No compass heading in the preview settings as there is for wind direction for example.
The android app absolutely cannot render any kind of arc in the working preview. As if Van Gough had seen your watch face in a nightmare, moved to the 20th centuary and adopted cubism.
Facer team. Keep up the good work and, with sugar on top? 
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Sadly, Iāve noticed the same thing about the forum. I was just as excited as you were to see all the new posts full of formulas, suggestions, and solutions. Now itās just crickets. Iāve gone to making my watch faces on Watchmaker - Iāve been able to replicate virtually all of my Facer creations on Watchmaker. All work is done on a mobile device, but Iāve not encountered any problems. Watchawear is an excellent resource for Watchmaker.
Itās a different paradigm, but very easy to learn.
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That makes no sense. Why would you leave after you get what you want? Personally, I hope that todayās WatchOS 5 updates for PW1 and PW2 doesnāt completely destroy Facerās compatibility with the Android market. Isnāt WatchOS 5 the reason why newer Samsung watches and my Pixel Watch 3 canāt use Facer?
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I tried it and could not get on with the fiddly small screen. Strange because I love KWGT on mobile for Android widgets.
I got back after 2 years and waded through tons of recent posts about decent stuff and have since made a load myself.
Also, If you donāt find posts about formulas then you could always play about and make some.
I may look into Watchmaker again should I find myself without a PC for a length of time. It may have come a long way. For now though Iām staying here and will try and shake things up a bit for you.
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Understandable.
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I am.a big consumer of watch faces and love watchmaker. One of the reasons is the facer splash screen that has to come up with each watch change. Its annoying. I have a Ticwatch 5 pro and a OnePlus watch 2r and love the OnePlus more. You can get the OnePlus for less than 200 and it last up to 5 days. Why would anyone buy Samsung? Iāve owned several.and they have all had quality and battery life issues.
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As a user of both Facer and Watchmaker I have to say I like watchmaker more due to their lack of a splash screen on the watch like facer has. I donāt want to see the ad every time I switch to facer or switch watches.
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I personally love challenges! That, for me, is what makes it fun 
Iām ready!
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