You all need to chill and relax. Free watches are free. No obligation to pay anyone. Buy me a coffee is an act similar to tipping. There should be no obligation to provide something from the act of some friendly gestures by others to show appreciation. Partners and Facer business model is not in any danger from these acts of kindness. People only tip if they can afford it. Now go enjoy the sun if its shining for you today. I have received a few coffees. We are talking a couple… here and there…you would die of thirst if you were relying on that as an income source!
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@Jason thanks for your input. It is the TOS violation that comes into question rather than the revenue.
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I think solicitation would be offering services for payment such as i will create you a watch face on receipt of payment. In my opinion I dont think that would apply to a donation/gift received for appreciation of a creators content. Below is an example of TOS from another community where they have added extra clarity. Facer TOS does not state any rules around gifting. Only solicitation. My opinions will likely differ from others as will my interpretations of TOS. But if someone is clearly requesting payment for something in return then i agree that would be against TOS.
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Warren, I think your work is really good and have admired your creations for a long time. I know very little about what people want, but I bet likes and dislikes change all the time. And… It is so true, you are never going to please everyone. I say just keep doing what you like and what you are doing. People that follow you and others will like your new creations. I think trends eb and flo.
I think that there are just so many watch face designs to choose from. People like your design and move on to the next design and the next, etc. Then they forget to sync your face that they saw 10, 20 faces before.
I started creating just for myself using my photography and now I license other images that I use. If other people like a design, that’s great. I don’t expect anything. But I really do enjoy creating new designs. It seems I can never have enough watch faces to choose from these days.
The creative talent and ideas on this platform is so diverse. I am amazed at what other create.
Recently I created a very basic watch face. Just a Black background with White text. I got many requests for different colors. One person asked me to make a pro version watch face so she could choose different colors. So I did that and it was my first pro watch face.
Keep up your wonderful creations Warren.
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@Jason thanks for sharing. I see that Roblox states that the user should receive nothing in return for submitting a tip. At Facer, most of the members who send donations receive a requested design.
In my experience at other sites when money is used in any way other than sales of the company’s product or company sponsored service it is considered a commercial venture and is forbidden. There are also privacy and security concerns to consider if communication regarding the above is handled via personal email.
@photobeth thank you for bringing this discussion back to the original topic.
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I’m ignorant on the subject, but Facer is an application and you pay and it’s not cheap at all and, therefore, I believe that the sale of your screens should not be prohibited!!!
And the use of the resources of the Facer Creator application are paid and the value is not cheap at all, so if you subscribe and use the highest resources, this can only be downloaded by people who pay to Facer and, thus, the application You win because they are sold through the app!!
Sorry if the language translation causes any confusion.
Eu sou um ignorante no assunto mas, o Facer é um aplicativo e, você paga e, não é nada barato e, assim sendo eu acredito que a venda de suas telas não deveria ter nenhuma proibição !!!
E a utilização dos recusos do aplicativo Facer Creator são pagas e, o valor não é nada barato assim, se você faz a assinatura e, utiliza os recursos mais elevádos esse, só podera ser baixado por pessoas que pagam ao Facer e, assim o aplicativo ganha pois, os mesmos são vendidos pelo aplicatico!!
Desculpem se a tradução de línguas causarem alguma confusão.
Thanks,
When another watch face creator thinks my designs are good, then I know I must be doing something right.
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Unless I am very much mistaken Facer already offers a way to monetise a design and stay within TOS…
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Yes, it does. Unfortunately, there are people everywhere who feel that they are entitled to change rules to suit themselves. The excuses they give speak volumes.
I didn’t mean to upset everyone. I just wanted to inform everyone what Facer told me. I’m sure they know what they do and don’t allow. I did read the TOS and it says nothing about accepting donations. It’s like the grocery boy that carries your groceries to the car. You appreciate what he had done. There is no requirement for tipping but you really appreciate what he did for you. Just a good gesture coming from the heart. If someone offers me a donation, it pleases me. I know they really enjoy my faces. By the way @wsilbers, I love a lot of your designs. There are just so many faces hitting at once. I wished maybe Facer would only allow so many publications a day. Then ones face may get more attention. All I can say is if you enjoy what your doing, then that is all that matters. 
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Hello everybody. Nice topic, but why just a coffee. I want the full diner, yeah first, second and third dish, accompanied by a great Italian wine. But i cook it myself to my taste, pay it myself and eat it myself and others who like it for free. I don’t need/want the money but i can agree that sitting for ever on never challenged rules, can be lethal. A question of time perhaps. Why not listen a bit to others, F - who never get the status of a partner which only F controls and who still want to sell - and agree on a shared income. Impossible? Perhaps F would see a drastic change in sales as do the candidate-sellers. A WIN-WIN, not? For many, money is a kind of recognition for them. F will appreciate that… and they do offer a nice but incomplete platform to my taste as a free face maker. My price is although interaction, how good did i cook it. I am more a Van Gogh type. You can sell my faces, when i am dead.
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For everyone accepting so-called “donations” if you need clarification of the TOS ask.
If you do not have time to take requests, politely tell people that. They will understand.
That is a better way to handle it than creating your own prices under the guise of “donations” and earning a violation.
As mentioned above, Facer provides a way to monetize your designs. It is like any job that you interview for. If your qualifications are a good fit in meeting the needs of the business you will be offered the job. There are no shortcuts.
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Well, that is indeed the actual situation. Now it is F who solely determines the rules, the needs and the fitting, so it seems. Of yourse, you are partner and feel the need to protect the actual rules and your income I assume, I can understand. But I am talking about a big, surely another group of perhaps frustrated face makers, who want to sell too, not me, but they can’t now unless they seek “buy me coffee” or alternatives, which hurt the business. Therefore we need as a F community to ask ourselves for example, does a buyer buy mainly because it is offered by a partner or because of the face itself, for any face by the way. What is the biggest argument to buy? I think it is the face, fitting the needs of the buyer. So, if that were true, why not adapt the selling policy and allow a shared income between F and any face maker. Seems like a Win-win to me. Perhaps another platform will see this opportunity to have motivated face makers, and that would a loss to all who love to work with Facer.
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It doesn’t matter whether I am a partner or not. It is clear to me that a business establishes rules to meet their needs.
As I understand information posted by others in this community, there are other applications that allow profit sharing. Some of the people who collect so-called “tips” at Facer also are monetizing at one or more of those sites.
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This is an interesting topic that got run over by another interesting topic.
So, what do people want, and is it OK to ask for tips?
You can attack Facer as a designer in a few directions. One is to make faces for yourself with no care about syncs, rules, copyright infringement, ect. You’ll likely never become a partner but not everyone wants to become a partner, or they just don’t think the journey is worth it.
It is fun to design faces and that can certainly be very rewarding in itself.
Another road is to try to make faces that are original and beautiful but that also fit the demand of what people want to see on their arms. Faces don’t have to be complicated. A lot of people just want a cool looking basic watchface that is “interesting”.
To bash a face or designer because his or her face likely didn’t take as long to create as you feel your’s did is really not fair and immaterial.
This second road does not need to be a road where the goal is to be a partner, but if you don’t follow the rules, use images that you shouldn’t (such as Disney for example), and ask for tips (that you probably shouldn’t), you’re risking ever becoming a partner, so why risk that?
You choose what your goals are and then consider what to do to get there. If you have no goals just have fun and don’t worry about anything.
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Good points, thomasfmall!
Actually, that may not be true about never becoming a partner. I joined Facer long before I was invited to be a partner. I never bothered with sync counts and didn’t find out about the charts for a long time until somebody in the community mentioned it. I joined Facer after I received my first smartwatch as a gift. The stock faces that were offered by the OEM did not appeal to me, so I asked a colleague in technology for suggestions. Facer and another app were mentioned. The other app charged a fee. Facer would allow me to create what I had in mind for free. Having a background in art and already having the necessary tools, I got busy creating free designs for myself. Many were not so great, but they were mine. Soon I had my collection and was having a ball being slightly addicted to facing. Followers arrived and made requests. That gave me ideas for what others wanted. When I did not have time to deal with that, I explained that I could not accommodate their requests at that time, but perhaps later. If I was eventually able to create what they wanted, the idea of a “tip” would have been against my policy here as it is elsewhere. My primary satisfaction at Facer and in my volunteer work comes from making people happy and believing that God will provide. God was smiling on me. I received an invitation to become a Partner after I had created hundreds of designs just for fun.
Therefore, once again the bottom line is to just do what you like. Don’t worry about what others what. You can drive yourself looney trying to please everybody and being concerned with syncs and charts. That would definitely take the fun out of it.
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I loved your message…congratulations!!!
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